A Fireside Chat with Joel Makower of GreenBiz Group

Feb. 27, 2019: I am at the fantastic, very best sustainability conference, GreenBiz19 in Phoenix. Joel Makower interviewed me in a break-out session. We covered a lot of ground.  An area that he asked ahead of time if it was okay to talk about was my youngest brother’s murder. Rich, his wife Nancy, and unborn child were shot to death on April 7, 1990 in a random act. I like remembering Rich. It keeps him alive for me. I choked too much to get the right words out at the session.  His death, so brutal and so early in his life, really motivated me to get myself going, don’t be complacent, make a difference, NOW!, and act as if it is alright to get fired tomorrow, so you have the freedom to be yourself, and battle for what you believe in. Thanks you Joel.  You are the very best!  I admire your integrity, trustworthiness, and our personal relationship over the  past 29 years.